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内异+双侧巧囊+亚甲减+免疫不孕  好孕8月 [复制链接]

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只看该作者 70  发表于: 2010-08-11
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引用第67楼nycresident于2010-08-11 00:46发表的 回 66楼(双双小兔) 的帖子 :
我没得过甲亢或甲减,但如果我的家族里有人得过甲减,通常我也会有抗甲状腺抗体,尽管我的TSH是正常的。我还要进一步查(NK细胞)才决定用不用免疫球蛋白或脂肪乳剂。因为不论何种抗体,最终的表现是免疫系统释放大量的杀手细胞。如果你体内没有太多的杀手细胞,可以不用担心。你说的脂肪乳剂对肝功能的有损害,是医生说的还是网上看来的?你如果担心,可以要求医生在打之前都验一下肝功能,如果不太好就换成免疫球蛋白。
脂肪乳剂很多时候是当做营养品用的,http://health.sohu.com/20060427/n242668158.shtml,并像你想的那样。 不过看这个链接,好像有好几种脂肪乳剂,但只有一种对免疫有抑制作用(英文名Intralipid),是这一种才能让免疫系统停止释放杀伤细胞。
如果我来选,当然是脂肪乳剂了,又便宜又没有副作用。
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nycresident   其实我的试管医生对免疫不孕本来就不是很懂,我就是担心你说的脂肪乳剂我们这里的医院没有,或者有,但不是抑制免疫的,那就比较麻烦了
nycresident 你看一下这个帖子http://www.ivfbbs.com/read.php?tid=23451. 也是因为NK高,但是医生给她治疗的就是用强地松/类固醇后来成功生下宝宝了.
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只看该作者 71  发表于: 2010-08-11
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对,我看过京喜宝宝网的一个帖子http://www.jingxibaobao.com/thread-205-1-2.html,说如果NK细胞不太多可以用强的松,管不住的话用免疫球蛋白。

你说的那个贴我也有看过,她看的是妇科的免疫专家,和那个试管权威的观点不太一样,他觉得子宫活检查NK是无效的,应该看血液里的NK活性。 我最近看他给NK过高病人的建议,都是脂肪乳剂+强的松治疗。

另外这个贴也提到免疫,可是没有提到治疗方法,也不知这个姐妹有没有生了http://www.ivfbbs.com/read.php?tid=17155
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只看该作者 72  发表于: 2010-08-12
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楼主,做了诊刮后要休息多长时间,是像小产一样休息吗?还是做了诊刮就移冻的?
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只看该作者 73  发表于: 2010-08-12
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引用第72楼芳芳2010于2010-08-12 08:23发表的 回 1楼(双双小兔) 的帖子 :
楼主,做了诊刮后要休息多长时间,是像小产一样休息吗?还是做了诊刮就移冻的?

芳芳2010 我上次做了诊刮之后,休息了一天就去上班了。还好,我觉得诊刮的痛苦还可以忍受,吊了3天的抗生素,也就没有什么事了。只是要注意,诊刮之后不要吃冰的东西,一些凉性的东西也要少吃。诊刮的那个月放了冻胚,但没有成功。
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只看该作者 74  发表于: 2010-08-12
nycresident   我看到一篇研究,说是脂肪乳剂(Intralipid)不抑制淋巴细胞的免疫功能。
http://epub.cnki.net/grid2008/detail.aspx?filename=CWCN501.012&dbname=CJFD1995

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只看该作者 75  发表于: 2010-08-12
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小兔,这是SIRM的报告,声称他们诊所去年试用脂肪乳剂,在30个NKa高的IVF病人身上,成功率是60%。

http://www.haveababy.com/sirm-innovations/immunologic-treatment.html

Immunologic Treatment

INTRALIPID 20% - FINALLY AN EFFECTIVE, SAFE AND LOW COST ALTERNATIVE TO IVIG THERAPY
SIRM physicians have long advocated aggressive treatment of immunologic implantation dysfunction in women undergoing IVF. In cases where there has been Natural Killer Cell activation (Nka) (as evidenced by an abnormal K562 target cell test) we have championed the use of IVIG to down-regulate (deactivate) the Nka. In this manner, many women who otherwise might not have achieved success with IVF have gone from infertility to family.

For us at SIRM, advocating the use of IVIG over the last decade, has come at a considerable price. Clearly, women requiring IVIG have been concerned about the cost (more than $4000 per dosage), reported side effects and, given the HIV/hepatitis scare, have been reluctant to receive a blood product. To make matters worse, under-informed critics have for unexplained reasons played on such unfounded fear often raising it to the level of alarm. The fact is that over the years we have administered IVIG to thousands of women, without a single report of viral transmission and few significant (but always transient) side effects.

About a year ago reports began to surface regarding a low cost (about ten times less than IVIG) synthetic product called Intralipid, which upon being infused more than a week prior to embryo transfer would lower Nka and further more, was virtually free of side effects.

About a year ago, we began evaluating the effect of Intralipid in patients who had activated Natural Killer cells, and for whom IVIG therapy would otherwise be indicated. Thus far we have treated more than 30 women with Nka using Intralipid 20%. More than 60% of the patients achieved viable ongoing pregnancies, showing Intralipid therapy to be at least as effective (and perhaps even more so) than IVIG. There were no significant side effects and patient tolerance of this treatment was high. We anticipate that patients receiving Intralipid will soon start reporting on their experience using Intralipid, on various discussion boards.

Against this background, SIRM physicians have collectively decided to virtually abandon further use of IVIG, in favor of Intralipid.

Below are some clinical details about Intralipid:

Intralipid (IL), is a synthetic product composed of 10% soybean oil, 1,2% egg yolk phospholipids, 2.25% glycerin and water. Based on research performed at SIRM and elsewhere, infusion of IL lowers Natural Killer cell activation (Nka) as effectively as does, intravenous gammaglobulin (IVIG.) When indicated IL (as with IVIG) is infused 7-10 days prior to ET and one more time again after a positive pregnancy in women whose Nka is due to an autoimmune causes (antiphospholipid antibodies and/or antithyroid antibodies). In cases of alloimmune implantation dysfunction (DQa and/ HLA matching between the embryo recipient and the male partner) the same applies but in this situation the infusion is repeated at 2-4 week intervals until the 24th week of pregnancy.
We have supplanted IVIG with IL therapy in a significant number of women undergoing IVF , and who had immunologic embryo implantation dysfunction. The results thus far have been excellent, way beyond our initial expectations.
At last we now have a safe and inexpensive alternative to IVIG therapy...Intralipid! What is more, IL costs about 10 times less than IVIG, is not a blood product and is without significant side effects.
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只看该作者 76  发表于: 2010-08-12
免疫严重的,可能IVIG或IL或任何激素都不管用,最后的可能出路是代孕。
看看这个贴
http://www.ivfbbs.com/read.php?tid=17155&fpage=2
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只看该作者 77  发表于: 2010-08-12
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我也看过这个帖子,最后的结局是什么?楼主在最后一次周期中怀孕了?还是她找人代孕?
又看到帖子中的楼主在昨天上过论坛,可一点她的消息也没有
我刚刚找到免疫球蛋白的照片,一直以为血液制品应该就是红色的,一看原来和平常吊的生理盐水差不多。
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只看该作者 78  发表于: 2010-08-12
         前段时间,因为试管取卵和移植后的休息,请了半个月的假,这个星期去上班了,好多事情等着我。工作岗位变了,以前比较清闲,基本上只要上半个月的班,做几份报表就ok了,可是现在,办公室换动了,工作担子重了,真的好想跑去和领导聊聊,可开不了口,说什么呢?编什么理由呢?
     现在已经是身心疲惫了,真的不想因为工作再操心了。真的好想怀上宝宝,这样就可以正大光明的请保胎假了。同一办公室的同事怀孕了,立马请了半年的保胎假,下个月她就要上班了,看到她大着肚子,真的很羡慕。

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只看该作者 79  发表于: 2010-08-12
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注意看那个贴里的另一位姐妹(behealthy),她的NK活力是我看到过最厉害的,她用了大剂量的激素,还有免疫球蛋白,都不行。