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统计:有来曲唑微刺激成功的吗?我这都第六次移植了,是不是这方案成功率太低啊? [复制链接]

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只看楼主 倒序阅读 0  发表于: 2010-09-06
四次来曲唑,二次克米方案

来曲唑一般得二到三个一级胚胎,一个中等,可从来没着过床. 我是06年停胎后就一直再没成功过.

我这次取五个,配成四个, 三个一级,一个二级.

现在统计一下,是不是这方案不利于胚胎着床呢?
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只看该作者 1  发表于: 2010-09-06
来曲唑,这个方案不真没听说过!能具体说说吗?

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只看该作者 2  发表于: 2010-09-06
叶子,我追着你屁股后面给你上课,呵呵。

曲唑微(英文名femara),和克米一样,不适合卵巢功能差的病人。

Geoffrey Sher医生在美国从事试管研究已经30年,他很反对给卵巢功能不好的病人用微促方案,他说微促用的药含LH太高,LH只是在排卵的时候需要,在卵子发育初期LH含量应该越少越好,过多的LH会造成过多的testosterone(睾酮),睾酮对卵子的发育有着不良的影响。而卵巢功能低的病人,本身的LH就很高,所以促排药LH应该很低才合适。Sher医生发明了一种专门对付卵巢功能不好的促排方案,是在长方案的基础上促腺素和咭抗剂交叉使用,咭抗剂是在打促排药之前几天就用(只是很少的量),目的是抑制LH的量,对于长方案中长时间降调可能会对卵巢抑制过度,他采用雌激素打底,以提高卵巢对促排药的敏感度,而且要求降调时间不能超过21天。

下面是有关来曲唑他和病人的一段对答
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CatherineAug 29 2008, 03:08 PM
My ob is suggesting a cycle with clomid or femara from cd 3-7 - follostim 150 for cd7-9 then menopur 75 cd10, then wait for a couple days till follicle(s) show mature and trigger

she is giving me the option of either the clomid or femara - I had suggested femara, but she said if my goal is more eggs clomid has been shown to produce more follicles than femara - i had thought femara would be better on the lining, but she said the FSH can correct that?

I am 43 and have had 2 blighted ovums and a m/c at 11w in the last year - I DO get pg, but I think I need a few more targets to get a golden egg -

I cannot afford ivf or donor again, this is kinda a last ditch effort, can you give me your opinion on clomid or femara, and if you ever have seen cycles like this succeed?

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Geoffrey Sher, MDAug 29 2008, 04:16 PM
Respectfully I do not prescribe clomid or Femara to women >40 nor to women with diminished ovarian reserve, regardless of their age.

Geoff Sher

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LETROZOLE (FEMARA) FOR OVULATION INDUCTION.

Letrozole, like clomiphene (Serophene, Clomid) is an oral agent induces ovulation. The main source of estrogen is through the conversion of the hormone testosterone to estrogen by the action of a follicular enzyme known aromatase. Letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor blocks this conversion, resulting in a reduction in estrogen concentration, which in turn causes the pituitary gland to respond by releasing large amounts of FSH as well as LH. The FSH promotes follicle development. While the effect on pituitary FSH and LH release is similar to that of clomiphene, unlike the latter, Letrozole does not block estrogen receptors in the endometrial lining or cervical glands and thus does not directly affect the production of cervical mucus (essential for sperm capacitation) or suppress development of the uterine lining.
However, as with clomiphene, Letrozole causes increased LH release. This in turn can lead to overproduction of male hormones (e.g. testosterone) by the ovaries with a potentially adverse effect on egg/embryo quality. This is potentially most disadvantageous in older woman and women who have diminished ovarian reserve, who have the greatest potential for the ovaries to produce excessive testosterone.
Thus while there could be potential advantages in using Letrozole over clomiphene for ovulation induction, the exaggerated LH-induced testosterone effect, especially in women over 40 years of age and/or those with evidence of diminished ovarian reserve (i.e. raised FSH, reduced Inhibin B levels and less than 10 antral follicles on cycle day 3), in the author’s opinion (GS), limits its value in the ART setting.
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只看该作者 3  发表于: 2010-09-06
唉,麻烦啊,我上次用过微量降调长方案,可是胚胎质量出奇地差.......

不知道这个微量降调跟你说的那个是不是一回事呢?我好象从来没用过吉抗剂的.

我看你可以专业做SG收费咨询师了. 怎么那么喜欢研究啊....
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只看该作者 4  发表于: 2010-09-06
你是怎么知道胚胎质量差的?

吉抗剂你还是别用了,我这次用了,卵发育得大小不一致不说,结果还是提前排了几颗。下次准备还是换回长方案了。

不过听说要是卵巢功能不好,一次只能促二,三个卵的话,吉抗剂还是不错的。
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只看该作者 5  发表于: 2010-09-07
引用第4楼好孕楼于2010-09-06 23:01发表的 :
你是怎么知道胚胎质量差的?
吉抗剂你还是别用了,我这次用了,卵发育得大小不一致不说,结果还是提前排了几颗。下次准备还是换回长方案了。
不过听说要是卵巢功能不好,一次只能促二,三个卵的话,吉抗剂还是不错的。

我上次用的抗拮剂方案,促出15个卵配成10个可是质量太差了.后来听明白了医生的言外之意这个方案促出的卵子质量是不太好!
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只看该作者 6  发表于: 2010-09-07
我上次就是拮抗剂方案,促排了6个,全部受精!

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只看该作者 7  发表于: 2010-09-07
这个方案和普通的长方案不一样。长方案会抑制卵巢,使其对促排药反应差。这个方案在降调末期,把达必佳换成少量的咭抗剂,以逆反达必佳的效果,改善卵巢对促排药的敏感度,同时,咭抗剂还可以抑制LH。这和你们方案中的咭抗剂作用不一样,你们的咭抗剂使用在促排后期抑制LH,防止卵子提前排掉的。这个咭抗剂(只是很少的一点量)是促排之前、降调末期开始用,一直用到打夜针。整个促排过程一直用雌激素打底,雌激素是在促排药开始前8-10天就开始用,直到50%的卵子都有12mm大才停,加雌激素的另一好处是可以增加内膜厚度。
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只看该作者 8  发表于: 2010-09-07
nycresident :你认为高龄啥方案最佳?

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只看该作者 9  发表于: 2010-09-07
你说的是国内的超长方案吗?是“等你宝宝”那个方案?

高龄国内一般短方案,流行的,呵呵,我们就是小白鼠